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if we're going to cut the size and scope of government perhaps we should go over the fiscal cliff so people will understand government spending is out of control and may start to ask questions being asked at the kitchen tables of every family, why we see christmas sales so low. they're saying how do we make major purchases? people are cutting back in personal lives, they want got to do the same. something else is playing into christmas sales being low. christmas itself is under attack. a lot of christian conservatives believe that if we're going to say happy holiday, perhaps those that think it's any other holiday should support the economy and they're not buying the gifts they used to buy. they do christian efforts locally in churches and talk to families about other things than gifts. >> we always say merry christmas here but stay on this here. if we do go over the fiscal cliff, yes, taxes will go up. molly outlined how much for every income level across the board. >> very hard. >> down the road, isn't it the only way we get our fiscal house back in order? >> that's what i'm hearin
if we're going to cut the size and scope of government perhaps we should go over the fiscal cliff so people will understand government spending is out of control and may start to ask questions being asked at the kitchen tables of every family, why we see christmas sales so low. they're saying how do we make major purchases? people are cutting back in personal lives, they want got to do the same. something else is playing into christmas sales being low. christmas itself is under attack. a lot of...
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part of the looming fiscal cliff includes a painful dose of automatic spending cuts that would kick in just a few days from now. our military would be on the receiving end of a lot of it. a half trillion dollars in cuts over the next decade. it has a fancy name. it is called see -- sequestration. many warn of job losses and even the impact on the national security. now, the news on this from washington. >> harris, last friday when president obama rolled out his new plan for steering us away from the fiscal cliff there was a word he did not say. that word was sequester. it would cut $100 billion from the budget next year, half from domestic programs and half from defense programs. and now as the deadline draws close, experts are look at these cuts from a national security standpoint and warning one final time about their impact on the safety of our service members. >> it is going to affect the operational force that is deployed in terms of its you ability to maintain its equipment and get repair parts. that force is deployed around the world. it is not just the force in afghanistan that
part of the looming fiscal cliff includes a painful dose of automatic spending cuts that would kick in just a few days from now. our military would be on the receiving end of a lot of it. a half trillion dollars in cuts over the next decade. it has a fancy name. it is called see -- sequestration. many warn of job losses and even the impact on the national security. now, the news on this from washington. >> harris, last friday when president obama rolled out his new plan for steering us...
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part of the looming fiscal cliff includes a painful dose of automatic spending cuts that would kick in just a few days from now. our military would be on the receiving end of a lot of it. a half trillion dollars in cuts over the next decade. it has a fancy name. it is called see -- sequestration. many warn of job losses and even the impact on the national security. now, the news on this from washington. >> harris, last friday when president obama rolled out his new plan for steering us away from the fiscal cliff there was a word he did not say. that word was sequester. it would cut $100 billion from the budget next year, half from domestic programs and half from defense programs. and now as the deadline draws close, experts are look at these cuts from a national security standpoint and warning one final time about their impact on the safety of our service members. >> it is going to affect the operational force that is deployed in terms of its you ability to maintain its equipment and get repair parts. that force is deployed around the world. it is not just the force in afghanistan that
part of the looming fiscal cliff includes a painful dose of automatic spending cuts that would kick in just a few days from now. our military would be on the receiving end of a lot of it. a half trillion dollars in cuts over the next decade. it has a fancy name. it is called see -- sequestration. many warn of job losses and even the impact on the national security. now, the news on this from washington. >> harris, last friday when president obama rolled out his new plan for steering us...
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. >> reporter: pessimistic tone for heading for the fiscal cliff in days. president obama and senators cut the christmas vacation short. the leader is happy to review what the president has in mind but to date they have not put forward a plan. late today, mcconnell expressed frustration. >> this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything that senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the essential. >> asked if he was going over the cliff, biden joked cliff? what cliff? this has been operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. not allowing the vast majority of the representatives to get what they want. they want them to return in case a deal is in the final hours. today, the u.s. is heading over the cliff. >> what goes away next week is the bush tax cut that they loathed since they went in place a secon decade ago. don't assume the president wants to cut a deal. he wants to see if he'll be blamed for it before they negotiate. they talk about the meeting tomorrow with the
. >> reporter: pessimistic tone for heading for the fiscal cliff in days. president obama and senators cut the christmas vacation short. the leader is happy to review what the president has in mind but to date they have not put forward a plan. late today, mcconnell expressed frustration. >> this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything that senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the...
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nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he was able to say look, i was willing to meet them halfway. more than 50%. they don't want to work with us together. he is coming off strong, comin
nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the...
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downgrade in the consumer confidence numbers but you have to admit, it's the fiscal cliff, the debt clock stuff. i don't blame them. >> reporter: yeah. people think the general public is oblivious and not paying attention. they want to blow off the fact people are bored about hearing about the fiscal cliff but the reality is that 98% of americans will be affected and will see taxes go up if we go over the cliff at the end of the year. this consumer confidence number is an indication of what economist have been warning if we go over the cliff and enter into a new recession in 2013. that consumer confidence number down 6 points to just over 65. you know as well as i do this is a big change in the overall trend we had been seeing of improving consumer confidence. so as we near the fiscal cliff and near the end of the year, folks are buckling up, didn't spend as much as christmastime and we depend on the spending for economic growth. it's the engine of economic growth and all fingers point to another recession. >> eric: yesterday we got indication the retail sales for christmas were bad. toda
downgrade in the consumer confidence numbers but you have to admit, it's the fiscal cliff, the debt clock stuff. i don't blame them. >> reporter: yeah. people think the general public is oblivious and not paying attention. they want to blow off the fact people are bored about hearing about the fiscal cliff but the reality is that 98% of americans will be affected and will see taxes go up if we go over the cliff at the end of the year. this consumer confidence number is an indication of...
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that will happen tonight to work on the fiscal cliff deal. >> the looming fiscal cliff is forcing president obama to cut short his christmas vacation. >> president obama is cutting short his christmas vacation. he is leaving hawaii tonight so that he can be back in washington when congress reconvenes tomorrow. >> laura: so we should believe that by leaving his island enclave that the president was making some big sacrifice for the country? i'm thinking washington, crossing the delaware on a bitter christmas night 1776 before going on to defeat the british in two major battles, that's sacrifice. i, for one, never understood how in good conscious any of these politicians would think about leaving town with so much riding on this cliff hanger? shouldn't they get their work done before they leave town for a break? that's what's expected for most working americans but then again washington politicians have rules of their own. people whose salaries that we pay are called public servants. meaning they verve us. not the other way around. we don't work to make their lives better. they are supposed t
that will happen tonight to work on the fiscal cliff deal. >> the looming fiscal cliff is forcing president obama to cut short his christmas vacation. >> president obama is cutting short his christmas vacation. he is leaving hawaii tonight so that he can be back in washington when congress reconvenes tomorrow. >> laura: so we should believe that by leaving his island enclave that the president was making some big sacrifice for the country? i'm thinking washington, crossing the...
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cliff. the president is cutting his vacation short to return to the white house and try to hammer out a deal. but what will actually happen if we do go over the cliff? doug luzader is live for us with the details. >> it is not going to be pretty. on board air force one heading back to washington from a hawaii after cutting christmas short. can a cup of coffee help as far as christmas is concerned. starbucks is hoping. if you go into a starbucks you will get a message written on your coffee that says come together. this is a company trying to tell the president and lawmakers here they need to come up with some kind of agreement before they go over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year. the senate will be meeting today. this is the first time we have seen legislative business conducted in the weeks between christmas and new years since 1970. the house come back as well but nothing yet. the other thing to consider here the two key players in all of this president obama and republican house sp
cliff. the president is cutting his vacation short to return to the white house and try to hammer out a deal. but what will actually happen if we do go over the cliff? doug luzader is live for us with the details. >> it is not going to be pretty. on board air force one heading back to washington from a hawaii after cutting christmas short. can a cup of coffee help as far as christmas is concerned. starbucks is hoping. if you go into a starbucks you will get a message written on your...
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obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was pounding the same message again and again f. we go up the fiscal cliff for not meeting them halfway. >>> not because democrats and congre congre congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but i think it has been hard for speaker boehner and republican mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest should go up a little bit sweas well as a deficit reduction package. if they can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation to make sure the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> republicans are expressing frustration sa
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i understand even if they reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, there are already defense cuts that will hurt anyway. >> that's right. those decisions have been made. what's so disappointing about this deal being constructed here, and hopefully there is one, is the fact sequestration is not on the table. that is going to take place anyway. we look at the readiness of our forces and readiness is a word that describes the preparedness to fight effectively and that he is what americans should remember. we look at one, do we have the people, and are they qualified with the appropriate skill sets, enlisted and officer. do we have the repair parts and maintenance hours to fix the equipment that we have and then are we able to train effectively with that with the amount of hours and time needed to do that. all of that would be cut back significantly, so the readiness of this force, its ability to fight is what i'm saying, would go down markedly. and also there's going to be significant morale impact to the force because all of the services on bases would be cut to include repair and maintenance
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thank you. >>> three days to cut a deal and avoid the fiscal cliff. fox all-stars weigh in when we come back. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. the lexus december to remember sales event is on. this is the pursuit of perfection. the red cross was down here all the time. [ man ] they've given us a lot of heart. in times of need, they're there. ♪ [ kerry ] my dad was watching his house burn. he turned around, and all of a sudden, therwas this guy standing there from the red cross. at a point where i had just lost everything, the idea that there was someone there... that's an amazing thing. ♪ i am modestly optimistic an agree. can be achieved. no one is going to get 100% of what they want but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> we engaged in discussions, majority leader myself and the white house. in the hopes we can come forward as e
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their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need both. i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of republicans. >> one of the reasons why he and other republicans are putting pressure on the president is this is the first time that the president has gotten all four of the house, senate, democratic and republican leaders, since november 16th. he'd had conversation with speaker boehner but the first time both parties have gotten together. they're saying he should have done it sooner. the white house response is the stumbling block is republicans have opposed any tax increase. >> so for the sake of argument, say the meeting goes well. what's the best case scenario? >> best case is a slimmed down piece of legislation, smaller than the $4 trillion the president and speaker have been talking about. if you remember one week ago today, before he left for hawaii, the president came into the white house briefing room in the evening and basically said this is what the plan should be. >> the next few days i've asked leaders of congre
their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need both. i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of republicans. >> one of the reasons why he and other republicans are putting pressure on the president is this is the first time that the president has gotten all four of the house, senate, democratic and republican leaders, since november 16th. he'd had conversation with speaker boehner but the first time both parties have gotten together. they're saying he should...
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fiscal cliff negotiations with congress. talks fell apart before christmas. the deadline now is just days away and there is no deal in sight to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts set to go into effect january 1st. our juan williams is a fox news political analyst and he joins us today and very quickly, juan, merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas, kelly. kelly: this is daunting task facing congress to avert the so-called fiscal cliff that will set into motion more than $600 billion in drastic and draconian allic tax hikes and spending cuts. that will cause a lot of pain for all americans and does congress have enough time to act on this? >> they do. you know it will be very close and it may in fact go beyond the deadline per se although people are thinking at the moment it is possible to get something done by the end of this week. the key here, kelly, is the senate. we have been so focused on the house, speaker boehner, plan. about, plan b falling apart. now speaker boehner is pointing towards the senate and the white
fiscal cliff negotiations with congress. talks fell apart before christmas. the deadline now is just days away and there is no deal in sight to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts set to go into effect january 1st. our juan williams is a fox news political analyst and he joins us today and very quickly, juan, merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas, kelly. kelly: this is daunting task facing congress to avert the so-called fiscal cliff that will set into motion more than $600 billion...
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he said he feels like we -- let's do a swan dive over the fiscal cliff. >> clayton: he wants the fiscal cliff, boling does. i don't know that that would be a smart move, given the sequestration and all of the defense cuts that we're about with to face if we go over that, that means a massive, massive cut to our military. >> juliet: his thing is, look, we got to start cutting this deficit down. we just got to start now. he said, i stand to lose a lot of money in this, but it's got to happen now. >> dave: he also said republicans should lead on immigration, which i thought was interesting. that also made my eyes go up. >> clayton: he said they're going to continue to lose election after election if they continue to do what they did as it relates to immigration reform. the senate this morning, look at the live look, capitol hill and the white house. the senate reconvenes at 11:00 a.m. this morning. the house is getting together around 9:00 a.m. this morning. again, wendell goler reporting they've been hashing out deals throughout the night. >> dave: if you want good information as it happe
he said he feels like we -- let's do a swan dive over the fiscal cliff. >> clayton: he wants the fiscal cliff, boling does. i don't know that that would be a smart move, given the sequestration and all of the defense cuts that we're about with to face if we go over that, that means a massive, massive cut to our military. >> juliet: his thing is, look, we got to start cutting this deficit down. we just got to start now. he said, i stand to lose a lot of money in this, but it's got to...
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harris: president obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without becoming dinner. it is all "happening now." harris: hello, everyone, i'm harris faulkner, in today for jenna lee. jon: nice to have you up here in the big studio instead of down in the newsroom. harris: good to be here. jon: i'm jon scott. there is deadly weather pounding the united states. a powerful winter storm bringing snow and driving rain to the northeast. blizzard conditions in some areas. it is the same system that brought winter storms and tornados to the south and midwest. at least 12 people have died in this system. we're seeing major travel problems today as well. some areas are getting slammed all night long. an
harris: president obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without...
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vacation short to deal with the dreaded fiscal cliff. with just six days until the deadline, some lawmakers say it might be too late. and that's next. so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. from the president cutting his holiday vacation in hawaii short to get back to work on avoiding the fiscal cliff. the white house says the president is set to return to the nation's capital tomorrow morning to try to hammer out a deal where lawmakers on stopping automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in, which is set to happen, if you're not watching the calendar, six days from now. if they don't reach a deal many say it could send the country right back into recession. ed hen
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if we go over that fiscal cliff, that triggers fears of automatic spending cuts, and we are just looking at the defense piece today. the pentagon will face a cut of $492 billion. that is about a half trillion dollars over nine years. that works out to about a 55 billion-dollar cut per year, starting next year, 2013. defense analysts say this on top of hundreds of additional cuts already in place for defense will be devastating to the military. >> it is going to affect the operational force that is its livelihood to get it equipment and not just the force in afghanistan that is being reduced. it would impact the training as well. reporter: there is a large defense industry will also be hit. private companies may not get government contracts to keep them in business. >> severe budget cuts could literally put national security at risk if the companies that make the f-35 fighter jet or nuclear submarines or artillery pieces don't have the money and have to lay off work force and close facilities. reporter: jim moran said his district, right outside of washington, home to many who work in the
if we go over that fiscal cliff, that triggers fears of automatic spending cuts, and we are just looking at the defense piece today. the pentagon will face a cut of $492 billion. that is about a half trillion dollars over nine years. that works out to about a 55 billion-dollar cut per year, starting next year, 2013. defense analysts say this on top of hundreds of additional cuts already in place for defense will be devastating to the military. >> it is going to affect the operational...
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the only way to fix that is go over the fiscal cliff 'cause clearly democrats don't want to cut spending. they'll have to be forced into that and the only way that happens is hit the sequestration, the things that the fiscal cliff will bring of the that's why. i'll take the medicine, the pain now for a healthier economy going forward. >> kelly: there are a lot of economists who agree because they're saying if we go through this, it will be pain for everybody, 2,000, $4,000 added to our tax for the next year or so. and potentially, after that we will rebound and all those automatic spending cuts will go into effect. >> juliet: we've been following this drama involving hobby lobby. the company plans to defy a federal mandate that came out. it required it to offer the morning after pill. and hobby lobby, the owners of the company say, but they don't want to do that. it defies what they believe. they're going to be defying this order. they're going to risk fines of up to $1.3 million per day because they said on principle, we can not do this. >> kelly: here is the reason why. they're a faith
the only way to fix that is go over the fiscal cliff 'cause clearly democrats don't want to cut spending. they'll have to be forced into that and the only way that happens is hit the sequestration, the things that the fiscal cliff will bring of the that's why. i'll take the medicine, the pain now for a healthier economy going forward. >> kelly: there are a lot of economists who agree because they're saying if we go through this, it will be pain for everybody, 2,000, $4,000 added to our...
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cliff, the tax cliff but that is giving of money, medicare fix, an alternative minimum tax patch, and more unemployment insurance checks, that is spending. but the cuts that puts such a didn't in our military capability has not been dealt with, that is a problem to try to get votes for on the republican side and a problem for long term because it is another band-aid for weeks or months to come. >>trace: and pie in the sky, say for some reason they come to terms on the draconian spending cuts, militarily and domestically, what about the taxes? mcconnell says they have come to term on the taxes, but is that sellable to speaker boehner's republican house members? >>reporter: it depends on what speaker boehner himself supports. if boehner comes to the conference and says i think this is a bad deal, they will vote against it. and he probably will not bring it to the floor. if the not puts out a deal with mcconnell's pleasing that speaker boehner sees as too reasonable to town -- turn down and he says to the members do you not have to vote but i will, he will get a good majority of his lead
cliff, the tax cliff but that is giving of money, medicare fix, an alternative minimum tax patch, and more unemployment insurance checks, that is spending. but the cuts that puts such a didn't in our military capability has not been dealt with, that is a problem to try to get votes for on the republican side and a problem for long term because it is another band-aid for weeks or months to come. >>trace: and pie in the sky, say for some reason they come to terms on the draconian spending...
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any hope of going over the fiscal cliff must start in the senate. >> gretchen: a lot of people were upset because members of congress just can't seem to get their act together or the president, depending on which side of the fence that you're on of the they were upset that they went on christmas vacations. the president went to hawaii and members of congress went home. both sides said we're going to come back to washington because we've got to solve the situation. i think what so many people are frustrated about is this is an ongoing situation. it's like every year we come to this point where we're talk being this cliff and this is what i think has angered so many voters and why congress has such a low approval rating. >> rick: they also got to this point because of their last time they did this. it was the last debt creating fight that deleted this thing. now they gave themselves an amount of time to work on it you and thought maybe last week there was a little progress being made. turns out there is not. we're back to exactly where we started at and we're eight days out now. >> clayton:
any hope of going over the fiscal cliff must start in the senate. >> gretchen: a lot of people were upset because members of congress just can't seem to get their act together or the president, depending on which side of the fence that you're on of the they were upset that they went on christmas vacations. the president went to hawaii and members of congress went home. both sides said we're going to come back to washington because we've got to solve the situation. i think what so many...
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he cut his hawaiian vacation short to get back to the white house for any possible last minute fiscal cliff meetings and it appears there will be one tomorrow. harris? >> well, what kind of response is the president getting from lawmakers at this point? >> well, senate republicans say they are willing to listen to any ideas the president has as to how to find a way forward. here is more. >> last night i told the president we would be happy to look at whatever he proposes. but the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline here. and as i said, this is a conversation we should have is had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> the senate is in session and this is the first time either the house or senate has been in session for legislative business between christmas and new year's since 1970. harris? >> harris: not to put too fine a point on, it i guess it is politics, i don't know. saw what looks like a bit of taunting teen the top senate democrat and th
he cut his hawaiian vacation short to get back to the white house for any possible last minute fiscal cliff meetings and it appears there will be one tomorrow. harris? >> well, what kind of response is the president getting from lawmakers at this point? >> well, senate republicans say they are willing to listen to any ideas the president has as to how to find a way forward. here is more. >> last night i told the president we would be happy to look at whatever he proposes. but...
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back from the edge of the fiscal cliff. and welcome to a brand new hour of "america live," i'm heather childers. gregg: and i'm gregg jarrett, megyn is off today. senate lawmakers also cutting short their holiday break. the real sticking point is in all of this has been the president's proposed tax hike. both sides suggesting a cooling-off period was necessary before getting back to business, but the word from both democrats and republicans today, nothing has changed. chief white house correspondent ed henry is in beautiful honolulu. aloha, ed. [laughter] >> reporter: aloha. [laughter] well, it's interesting pause you say the sticking point -- because you say the sticking point is taxes going up, which is true, but the other big one will be spending cuts because the latest offer, we've been through plan a which was that $4 trillion debt deal, plan b which fell apart on speaker john boehner last week, now we're basically on plan c which president obama says would be dealing with short-term issues like two million people who
back from the edge of the fiscal cliff. and welcome to a brand new hour of "america live," i'm heather childers. gregg: and i'm gregg jarrett, megyn is off today. senate lawmakers also cutting short their holiday break. the real sticking point is in all of this has been the president's proposed tax hike. both sides suggesting a cooling-off period was necessary before getting back to business, but the word from both democrats and republicans today, nothing has changed. chief white...
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it's a shame in this nation where every developed country in the world knows our fiscal cliff is our fiscal solvency you have to have these leverage points. sit down and solve the problem because we know it's our greatest threat. that's not the case here. we have a president who has not laid out a plan. is he on yulingsly a spendaholic. >> dave: here is the problem for republicans though. if there is no deal out of the senate he will say okay i need an up or down vote on the $250,000 up or down mark. if republicans want to go on record to say no on that. that's going to be very politically dangerous for john boehner in the house. that's the bottom line. >> juliet: i know you are getting a lot of tweets. mine is like i blame, this i blame that guy. it's interesting to hear what you guys have to say about that first, let's go to peter doocy. what happens this weekend as far as negotiations are concerned? mr. doocy standing by in washington. hello, pete. >> dave: hello peter. >> hello juliet, dave and clayton. we have been told about meetings about ways to avoid the fiscal cliff. not su
it's a shame in this nation where every developed country in the world knows our fiscal cliff is our fiscal solvency you have to have these leverage points. sit down and solve the problem because we know it's our greatest threat. that's not the case here. we have a president who has not laid out a plan. is he on yulingsly a spendaholic. >> dave: here is the problem for republicans though. if there is no deal out of the senate he will say okay i need an up or down vote on the $250,000 up...
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up and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both and the president has to lead it it and if he does i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> lamar alexander demanding presidential leadership but also making that point that it's not just about taxes. it's also about spending, harris. >> harris: you and ed talk about -- you and i talk about the fact that we don't want to put too fine a point on the fact that there is acting that goes along with politics. what about the president's tone today? it sounded like he was angry. >> oh, yeah. i think from reading his body language and hearing his words as i have over these many years. you have to put into context of frustration he is feeling going back to the debt ceiling debate a year and a half ago. two summers ago where he felt and he said it then and he said it again today in another context that these are self-inflicted wounds to the economy that he thinks the republicans held him hostage on the debt ceiling a year and a half a
up and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both and the president has to lead it it and if he does i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> lamar alexander demanding presidential leadership but also making that point that it's not just about taxes. it's also about spending, harris. >> harris: you and ed talk about -- you and i talk about the fact that we don't want to put too fine a point on the fact that there is...
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let's remind people what this fiscal cliff is really all about. we're talking about automatic tax cuts that will go into place as well as drastic, draconian cuts in entitlement programs, medicare, and even the military. the military can suffer very greatly if this goes through the sequestration. if you look at all this, you realize something has got to be done, because $2,000 per average taxpayer will be added to them over the course of this year if they fail to do something, what is going to happen? what is your prediction, brad? >> well, my prediction is, that we're likely to go over the cliff because the president also knows, kelly, in 2013 any deal made then can be retroactive to january 1st. so the draconian cuts we're talking about can be wiped away with the stroke of a pen should a deal be made. i believe the president believes he is in stronger position if he deal doesn't go through now because he believes he will have better leverage in january. kelly: sear lena? >> he has better leverage i agree with brad about that. he can come to congr
let's remind people what this fiscal cliff is really all about. we're talking about automatic tax cuts that will go into place as well as drastic, draconian cuts in entitlement programs, medicare, and even the military. the military can suffer very greatly if this goes through the sequestration. if you look at all this, you realize something has got to be done, because $2,000 per average taxpayer will be added to them over the course of this year if they fail to do something, what is going to...
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we shouldn't really call this a fiscal cliff deal. this is just the senate's bill. the senate vote 89-8 in favor the bill. it extends decade old tax cuts on income up to 400,000 for individuals, 450,000 for couples. cuts only 15 billion in spending while increasing tax revenues by $620 billion. that is a 41-1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts. so who are the winners and losers? we'll play a little game. i will toss out some names to you, you tell me winner or loser. we'll go down the list. richard, start with you, president obama, john boehner, winner or loser? >> i think both of them are winners for different reasons. the president won. obviously showed winning an election and staying on message is a winning strategy. he got republicans to budge on this decades long notion somehow or other lifting tax rates was going to be ruin news for the economy. i think we'll see that it's not. he got a lot of other provisions clean energy, tuition credits, senator for low income people. unemployment benefits extended that were on the line. i think john boehner is actuall
we shouldn't really call this a fiscal cliff deal. this is just the senate's bill. the senate vote 89-8 in favor the bill. it extends decade old tax cuts on income up to 400,000 for individuals, 450,000 for couples. cuts only 15 billion in spending while increasing tax revenues by $620 billion. that is a 41-1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts. so who are the winners and losers? we'll play a little game. i will toss out some names to you, you tell me winner or loser. we'll go down the...
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they're talking about the fiscal cliff, they're talking about raising taxes and cutting spending. the only thing that's been accomplished thus far is to raise spending by about a billion dollars a year. >> dave: i think in particular rubs americans the wrong way when they see this, members of congress average salary, 174,000. average american, $48,000. that's on top of the fact that we see all the time, they take off, these long recesses and oh, by the way not passing bills and on top of this, this was by executive order, the president did this himself. >> yeah, it was done late at night, obviously, not great politics. i'm not quite sure what the thought process is here, maybe they think it's going to somehow incentivize members of congress to move things in a certain direction, but again, i think it's a terrible idea. it shows the disconnect with the country. keep in mind, washington d.c. last year passed the silicon valley as the town now as the highest per capita income in the country. and this is going to add to that and it shows the disconnect between what i call the permanen
they're talking about the fiscal cliff, they're talking about raising taxes and cutting spending. the only thing that's been accomplished thus far is to raise spending by about a billion dollars a year. >> dave: i think in particular rubs americans the wrong way when they see this, members of congress average salary, 174,000. average american, $48,000. that's on top of the fact that we see all the time, they take off, these long recesses and oh, by the way not passing bills and on top of...
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because president obama perfectly going over the fiscal cliff to blame republicans because he can't default on the debt. he will have to compromise between now and february. second of all the baseline gets reset if the tax cuts expire. everybody will propose a tax cut in january and right now we're fighting whether to increase taxes or not. you can see possibility of a deal seen as win-win for both sides. third, if republicans don't come up with a deal, a bad deal right now, they still have the $800 billion in revenue they put on the table from limiting deductions and loopholes that they can use to buy down rates. so i think the odds are, after january 1 we will get a deal and it will be much more favorable deal to the republican party because we'll have the leverage and president obama won't. heather: simon, basically what mark's laid out there would be more of a bunge jump over the cliff instead after nosedive, what do you think about the possibility, good thing or bad? >> i think it is going to happen whether it is good or bad. hopefully in the first week to 10 days of the new year with
because president obama perfectly going over the fiscal cliff to blame republicans because he can't default on the debt. he will have to compromise between now and february. second of all the baseline gets reset if the tax cuts expire. everybody will propose a tax cut in january and right now we're fighting whether to increase taxes or not. you can see possibility of a deal seen as win-win for both sides. third, if republicans don't come up with a deal, a bad deal right now, they still have the...